Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

Checking login status…

USERNAME:

PASSWORD:

Logging in…

Logged in as:
.
Logging out…
Inbox My Account Log Out

SoulMaster71

Reviews Favorites News Main
SoulMaster71

Age/Gender: 18, Male
Location: Deathless Lands
Job: Sacred Defender

News post #1: Comments disabled, but kept up for historical reasons. News post #2: Deleted, though I still support the fight against CoS. Screw blog posts. Contact me over AIM or through the PM system if you want to talk, or if you want my MSN.

Newgrounds Stats

Sign-Up Date:
10/9/07

Level: 16
Aura: Evil

Rank: Police Captain
Blams: 1,029
Saves: 1,278
Rank #: 2,237

Exp. Points: 2,660 / 2,840
Exp. Rank #: 7,737
Voting Pow.: 5.80 votes

BBS Posts: 2,098 (7.8 per day)
Flash Reviews: 125
Music Reviews: 24
Trophies: 0
Stickers: 0

Entry #1

Newer Older

Jump to Entry: [ 1 ]


SoulMaster71

How I was Saved, and how We can save Newgrounds

Posted by SoulMaster71 Nov. 5, 2007 @ 9:48 PM EST

OK, it's been nearly a month now since I came to NG, and already I've been changed by my experience here. In my eyes, NG is the Earth, the Sea, and the Heavens. Only The Legend of Zelda compares in total beauty, and then only by combining Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and greatest of all, A Link to the Past. Before I first came here, I was stupid, failing some courses in school, watching professional wrestling in my evenings, and merely subsisting in the modicum of intelligence required to call one's self human. But on the night I first gathered up the courage to see what this "Newgrounds" was, I also was given, as a belated birthday present, The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition. These two influences, Zelda and Newgrounds, saved my intelligence and my humanity, and freed me from the chains that professional wrestling had placed on my intellect. It is yet unknown what in this place did this, but it is strong enough to break the spell placed upon me by Vince McMahon. More time must be spent here before I discover the secret, but there will be no chore in it, since I love this place and almost everything about it.

I say almost, because nothing in this world is perfect. Newgrounds is no exception. By the end of my first week in this realm, I had been introduced, through suffering the effects of one of their spam flashes, to the evil that is KittyKrew. Their seeming leader, the universally hated BigFuzzyKitten, seems to never think of anything other than how to next kill the brain cells of Newgrounds users. And their so-called "enemies", the Shades Gang, are no better. Yet even within the most evil and heinous groups, there is always some good. It was not the rank-and-file of the Nazi party which planned the Holocaust or World War II, it was Hitler and his highest-ranking cronies. So it is with KK, and presumably with Shades Gang. I have seen movies, made by aspiring KK members (even for KK entrance) which are worthy of Newgrounds (although, since they are KK movies, nothing near as good as, say, many of the Mario-related submissions). The evil seems to be located entirely in their seeming leader BigFuzzyKitten, as all of the good KK flashes lacked him as an author, and were made entirely by other members, under the KittyKrew name. These people need to be saved from KittyKrew, that their true talent could show through by their making of great flashes, rather than by causing pain and suffering to the users of the Portal through spam. My "site", if you can call it that, is a petition to end spam on Newgrounds, by adding spam as a criterion for blowing the whistle on a submission. If this petition succeeds, then spam will become as uncommon as hateful or stolen content, which is unfortunately still present, but not nearly so common as spam.

Yet despite this terrible spam, I retain a love for Newgrounds, due to its role in saving my mind from the eternal darkness of redneckdom. Friends, thank you for reading this. May P-Bot ever blam all bad movies before you see them, and may M-Bot delete the accounts of those with malice towards you. Until next time...
SoulMaster out!

---Error Discovered---
In the actual post, I referred to the ShadesGang as a spam group. They are not. A few members of the Shades have made spam-like posts, but on the whole, the Shades are more reminiscent of the early Clock Crew or Lock Legion, both of which are successful groups with good posts. When I posted the previous news post, I had only seen the spam, and not the good stuff. I was wrong to post on such insufficient information. I am truly and deeply sorry to any SG members who may have read this post.

My opinon on the Kitty Krew, however, remains unchanged. Until next time...
SoulMaster out!
---Posted 10-12-07---

Updated: 06/16/08 3:44 PM Comments disabled | Share this!

The People Have Spoken

78 Comments

Nov. 7, 2007 | 9:39 PM Oldskoolkammy says:

Wow, you sound like an 07er, but you have the heart and bravery as if you came to NG in 03. Oh, and I signed my name in that petition. BLAM THE SPAM!


Nov. 7, 2007 | 10:12 PM Tomajko says:

Hey PM me for me details about the AKK =).


Nov. 21, 2007 | 12:32 AM Electric-Bla says:

Well, LOZ is indeed a good play.
Oh, and Tomajko, it's as spammy as the [kk] :P


Nov. 22, 2007 | 6:14 AM Oldskoolkammy says:

NO it isn't. ROme wasn't built in a day, and neither are great flash crews. You have to give us time to improve.


Dec. 5, 2007 | 10:01 PM SaltinesClock says:

Vince McMahon is an evl wizard,also LOL RP NERD

Dec. 5, 2007 | 11:22 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

What exactly does RP mean again? I only got Internet access back in September, after 6 years, so I don't exactly know what certain things mean...


Dec. 7, 2007 | 8:30 PM SaltinesClock says:

LOL


Dec. 9, 2007 | 12:21 AM Gustavos says:

Wow, you sound like a veteran of Newgrounds. You know, we have many of the same views of Newgrounds. There are good crews and spammers. However, the spammers can't be put down so easily as blowing your whistle. They'll never stop, they're viruses, threats, and true bastards of Newgrounds. There was a small group called the Lucky 7 Crew or L7C. Just a bunch of over enthusiastic kids who submitted a flash one day. While trying for some b/p points, I noticed a guy called reaperscythe or something like that. He's a member of the Kitty Krew. I warned them to stay away from them in a reveiw, but the members of the KK marked it as abusive. I'm not sure if the L7C saw it.

As for the LOZ. I also got the collector's edition for gamecube for my birhtday a few years ago. I was hooked on Ocarina of Time. I loved exploring the vast world of Hyrule. When I first saw a Redead, I was afraid of them due to my fear of video game zombies. So many memories...

God, I wrote a lot!

Dec. 9, 2007 | 1:18 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Yes, I know of L7C. I, too, warned them to stay away from the Kitty Krew. My reviews have not been deleted, but they continue to put up intentionally bad flash, probably under the direction of BigFuzzyKitten. They say they're going for Underdog of the Week, but under the KK, they're going to get Turd of the Week. I only hope that they see that soon, and banish BFK and Reaperssythe, as well as individual spammers and morons such as bernie-buddy and Orangebeef, from their ranks. And the spammers can be stopped, if we just get the statwhores on our side. They auto-fifen every submission in the Portal, so if we could just find a way to get them with us, KK would never pass another submission so long as they live. Now, there are two ways of doing this. One is to raise the pass standard to 2, which would make half of all statwhores, at least, stop voting 5 and start voting 0 on everything. But some good submissions would then fail. I prefer the "whistle option" described in my petition, because it will not so easily cause the demise of non-spam movies which are UotW material, and it will also allow the deletion of accounts of chronic spammers like BFK. Account deletion will probably be the best way to stop the spammers. Maybe if Kes (the main account behind BigFuzzyKitten) sees his precious alt get deleted, he'll drop the spam, and start making good stuff, just as he made the Firefox theme that I'm using now, and also Don't Mess With M-Bot, which is kinda stupid, but not complete and total spam like most Kitty Krew Krap.


Dec. 9, 2007 | 4:29 PM Gustavos says:

The people with the voting power don't care about the KK sadly. However, the whistle may actually be the answer after all. We all would need more help though. The people who make "KK hate flashes" aren't very talented. We need good flashists to help the cause. When I become greater at flash, I'll make flashes that Tom would hopefully see and do something about everything.

We should get a group of a bunch of people who hate the Kitty Krew that either have a lot of voting power or great at flash. If people were to do that, then they would have to do it privately. Through pms, not through public places like forums or the portal.

Dec. 9, 2007 | 9:13 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

It seems you've learned your lessons about anti-spam movements from the AKK. Now, I respect many of these guys, in part because Tomajko brought well over half of the current signatures to my petition. And they're not all that bad at flash, especially when compared to the Kitty Krew; they just lack the experience needed to make anything beyond the basic sprite movie. But most of them are like us, 07 users with little flash experience. So yes, they're going to be still imperfect at the craft. And more skilled flash artists, such as most of the Clock Crew, are not going to attack spammers, because they're older users who spend more time making flash than playing NG politics, and have probably fought their wars before, whether it was Clock Crew vs. Ki1o and anti-Clocks, or Clock Crew vs. Lock Legion, or other wars that happened. And it's the same with the users at, like, level 32 and stuff who could blam the hell out of the garbage as it appears.

AKK will someday become much better at making Flash. They will grow in voting power. And just as Ki1o's then-immense voting power and will to blam all spam forced the Clock Crew to grow up and make good stuff, so will the AKK force the Krappy Kitty Krew to grow up or leave NG. But the Kitty Krew will be followed by other spammers, and by that time, Goldenmoon, Oldskoolkammy, Jackisback, and the rest will be respected flash artists, and won't have as much time to fight against spam. I expect that by then, Tomajko and LampShadez' Tall Turtle series will be one of the well-made series on NG, and the Shades Gang will be our era's Lock Legion. And so, a new group of 10ers (since I expect this war to begin in 2010) will take up arms against the spammers (who will themselves be 09ers), and we will have the mentality that 04-05ers have now, to improve our flash skills, rather than just playing politics on the BBS and the Portal, and the vicious cycle of newbs vs. n00bs will repeat itself, indefinitely, until Tom and Wade step in to do something about it. The whistle option will break this cycle, and force new crews to make pass-worthy flash within their first few months, rather than spamming the Portal.
And it's really not just about BigFuzzyKitten and the KK. It's about AfroUnderscoreStud, and about the L7C (which will hopefully grow up soon...), and the Owl Organization, all of which are probably, and the last two definitely, influenced by or connected to BigFuzzyKitten.
But I kinda like your idea. Goldenmoon's AKK forums keep getting discovered, blanked, spammed, and raped by the Kitty Krew. If we could persuade some older, more experienced users to join in the battle against spam, you'd be onto something. But since the older users who have great voting power, whether 05ers who were here when the Star Syndicate were all spam and the Dailytoons weren't funny, or 04ers who remember the founding of the Lock Legion, to 01 and 02 users who actually remember seeing StrawberryClock submissions in the Judgment Zone, and the subsequent hatred given to the Clocks who followed SBC by Ki1o, do not care about the affairs of 06 users like most of the high-ranking KK members, or those of 07ers like us, all we have is the AKK, and my petition. At least until later in this war, by which point I suspect that Clock Days, and to a lesser extent Lock Days, will have upgraded us all to Police Sergeant, and all of us will be Level 18.


Dec. 10, 2007 | 12:49 AM Gustavos says:

I'm truly impressed. You know just about everything there is to know about spammers and related subjects. I happily singed the petition. As I said before, If we cleaned NG of spammers and spamming crews, we can put Newgrounds in a golden age. Send a pm to Tom with a link to the petition. Or maybe one of the other guys like Wade. Hell, send it to all of them. One has to read it and realize how big this cause is.

I say it's worth a shot.

Dec. 10, 2007 | 1:39 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Thank you, Gustavos. Together, we can ban spam from the Portal, just as it is banned from the BBS. But it is not yet time to warn the admins of this petition. Specifically, it will not be time until the petition has at least 2000 distinct, non-spam signatures. They can shake off a request or two from 1 or 2 users, or even from 100, easily. But when 2000 users band together against spam, then maybe the admins will listen, since 2000 is far harder to ignore than 2 or 200. Now, if only all 07ers were like you, we wouldn't be in this mess with the KK to begin with.


Dec. 10, 2007 | 9:49 PM FatKidWitAJetPak says:

You should go to the kitty kre thread I posted at

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/8 04658/4


Dec. 10, 2007 | 11:30 PM Gustavos says:

Then all we can do is get more signers. Sadly, the only thing I can think of, is to make a forums topic about the petition. In all the forum sections. That may draw in a decent number of signers. Don't worry about the KK seeing the petition, they already know. In case you didn't know, BigFuzzyKitten has signed along with a couple other spammers.

Remember, if you tell people about this in the forums, make yourself sound serious and say how we can put Newgrounds in a golden age that people like us can only dream about.

You know, from October, to November, to the past couple of weeks, I've been noticing how great a threat spammers (especially the KK) can be. Newgrounders generally don't care about all this. And spammers can be an influence to upcoming crews like the L7C. I wanted it all to end, but with every passing day of research, I was realizing how impossible it can be. I was losing hope, until you came. You know exactly what was going on and you even made a petition. You know twice as much as I do on this subject, and you seem willing to stop the madnes that is the spamming. You have given me hope that this will all end. I would do all I possibly can to help stop everything.

When I become an incredible flashist possibly 3-5 years from now, a lot of people would know me. I've been planning a sereis of flash movies about a more serious view of the war against spammers. It is supposed to have a lot of epic fight scenes of killing the yellow bastards. I have a thorough view of what it will be like, but until that day comes, I'll be making funny flashes of mainly Nintendo charcters. All the while working on my flash skills.

Dec. 12, 2007 | 1:22 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

I once thought of making a post in the forums, but decided that I needed more time to think of what I needed to write for it. I continue to prepare for such an event. Of course, I knew from the start that the spammers would try to take out my petition, so my concern never touched upon the actions of BigFuzzyKitten's lackeys. I did not even have any fears at the time. I have certain doubts now, but they will remain entirely my own, because I know that the KK will exploit them if they know about them. But I will certainly add the concept of a great Golden Age for NG to my post, for when it comes out.

As far as me giving you hope, I think that I understand. I actually knew nothing about the spammers, their origins, their leaders, or their motives when I created the petition back in November. I still do not fully understand their motives. I almost lost hope for the cause when I saw that BFK's power reached beyond NG, to YouTube and even to YTMND. But I saw moments later an AKK movie by theicecubeclock, and that changed everything. For though it was poorly made, short, and showed only Goldenmoon running over a kitty while riding in a tank, this was still a sign that someone other than myself disliked spam on the NG Portal, and was willing to take a stand against it. Perhaps that is the feeling that you are talking about?

It is probably for the L7C, and other young artists, most of all that I wish for the dark power of the KK to subside. Originally, I will admit, this was about me, and not wanting to be interrupted by spam within the Portal. But I soon came to realize how bad the spammers really were, when I noticed the formation of L7C. The first "Random Collab" seemed a test, but the second came, then the third, the fourth, and so on, and though the skills of the L7C improved, their ideas did not. I believe this is due to the acts of the KK, as you apparently do as well. I "spoke" to their leader, yoshi77777, on the Forum, and he said that he is not being used, and that the "Random Collabs" really were tests, so maybe they'll start submitting something good soon, but so long as KK holds influence there, I seriously doubt that they'll ever be as good as they could be, especially if they keep going to Reaperssythe for parts for their Flashes.

As far as your idea of an epic series about the war against spammers, by the time a new artist like yourself becomes good enough to create such a movie, we will have probably moved on, and if what I know of NG history serves as any precedent, the Kitty Krew will probably have either grown up and started making good flashes, or disbanded like the Uzi Union did. And yet I still had a great idea for a story of that sort, starring all the legends of NG, both legendary users such as Tom, Wade, StrawberryClock, and of course, our villain BigFuzzyKitten, and legendary characters such as Pico, Alien Hominid, Hank Wimbleton, etc. I will not here or now spell out these details, for the idea has not fully taken shape in my mind yet.


Dec. 11, 2007 | 8:01 AM SaltinesClock says:

you guys are to serious about bringing the KK down,theres NO WAY your gonna get rid of them,stop trying to act as if you're going to save newgrounds from the "terror" of the Kitty Krew

Dec. 12, 2007 | 7:21 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

It's not so much "Get rid of the Kitty Krew", it's more like "Force the Kitty Krew to stop spamming the Portal". And if you think that goal's unachievable, hell, multiple StrawberryClock movies are in your favorites, you probably know the story of Ki1o, and the Clocks stopped spamming and became a highly respected group in part because, if they didn't, Ki1o would have blammed all of their flashes. It's the same way with us, only unlike the early Clocks, the KK's spam isn't even funny, and they have enough members to CRMV (crew-related mass vote) their submission through. That's why this anti-spam stance of mine became a petition in the first place. I saw KK movies passing, and I thought of a way to fight back.

And yes, I've already figured out that you're not a true Clock, but just a fan of SBC's work.


Dec. 12, 2007 | 10:44 PM Gustavos says:

Yeah, about the sereis I told you about, I seemed a bit too much of a little kid didn't I? Well, the story will change as Newgrounds changes. You can never know what will happen in the years. For all we know, the Owl Organization can be the KK of 2011 and NG will have seven more smaller spamming groups. Obviosly, the "enemy" may be a bigger thing. Until the time comes, I will try to come up with an actual finished story. This is a mere "vision" I had one day.

Well, I've certainly said a lot on this news post

Dec. 13, 2007 | 12:43 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

Yes, I suppose you're right. BFK just holds the position of NG's great villain for now. A year or so from now, and he may have left NG (as KK co-founder Lasse did back in September), and the Kitty Krew may be dead, only to be replaced by a new spam gang. But know this (and you probably already do): there will always be a new spammer, until something is done.

As far as the Owl Order ever being the top spammers, I doubt it. The OO was started by BFK and The-DeadDuck, two KK members, as a definite front group, not taken over through the Portal Buddy system like the L7C seems to have been (though yoshi77777 denies any affiliation with KK). If BFK goes down, not only is KK dead, but so is OO. The more likely scenario is that multiple young users will band together and fill the void if the KK ever goes down or stops spamming. And you didn't seem like a "little kid" at all, you seemed more like someone with great ambitions in flash. I have other ambitions here, but perhaps if we work together, it can all be accomplished.


Dec. 14, 2007 | 7:34 PM Gustavos says:

I meant "little kid" as in an enthusiastic little boy with big ideas, yet no idea how to pull them off. Although, I am just a little kid so it kinda fits. I didn't know the Owl Organization was started by BFK. I just thought it was a simple group who looked up to him. I don't pay too much attention to things I see in the portal. I think I better start though if I want to help "Blam the Spam".

I always focused on blamming KK stuff, not just because they're the biggest spamming group, but because they're the biggest influence for more spammers. And, like you said, if the KK goes down, the OO goes with it. I think we should go to BFK's profile and spam the hell out of all his existing submissions ever day. That's what I'll do right now. The problem though, is I don't have alot of voting power. My b/p points are the only things helping me have more voting power. I'm almost at 500 so that'll help out.

Like you said, if we can get rid of KK submissions, it may make them grow up or focus on good submissions. It seems all I can do for now.


Dec. 14, 2007 | 8:21 PM Gustavos says:

Well, I certainly made a big mistake, BFK has submitted almost 600 things just this year! There's no way I'm going to spen hours blamming everything. What really got my attention is how he has countless submissions under a score of 1.60. How is that possible? If a submission has over 200 votes, and a score under 1.60, It's supposed to be deleted. I've also noticed that a L7C submission from not long ago had the same deal and wasn't blammed. What the hell is going on?

Dec. 15, 2007 | 10:35 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

It was probably around 2.3 or so when it passed judgment at 200 votes (due to crew-related mass voting and statwhoring, no doubt), and it's impossible for a flash to be deleted after judgment unless it is found to have broken the rules, or if the author's account is deleted. The only thing we can do right now is keep voting to pass good submissions, and blam bad ones. If we vote on 5 submissions each day, our level will increase, and if we stay in the Judgment Zone, we could eventually have fairly high blam and save points (my goal by the end of 2008: Police Sergeant or higher). Enough to be much better at voting on submissions and having effect. Meanwhile, my Petition is in my sig on the Forums, so it can get some publicity there for now, and, even if people don't sign, at least raise some awareness of the problems of spam.


Dec. 15, 2007 | 5:00 AM ieatspam999 says:

I signed, I'm glad there's other people out there who hate those dickweeds as much as I do.


Dec. 15, 2007 | 2:36 PM Clock-Ninja says:

You mother fuckers piss me off so much! We decided to stop submitting as much spam months ago and you still make these retarded little akk faillure groups even after working our asses off on epiliptic collab 1, 2 and 3, the 06 christmas collab witch got front page, A Kitty Krew Beatdown by nogfish witch also got front page, the 07 christmas collab (still in production), The cursor collab (still in production and will be out by xmas), The Technotrancension Collab lead by inferno (still in production) and many more quality collabs and flashes are in production as well and will all be submited on christmas day.

The spam has stopped a long time ago and all those collabs I mentioned above happen to be quality collabs and flashes. I would also like to say that you cannot judge us without actually being a member and getting to know our great community of mature non faggot members.

Dec. 15, 2007 | 8:52 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I'm really not saying that you guys are entirely still spammers. But if you don't call BFK's recent Ludacris series "spam" (although still better than both the AfroUnderscoreStud series off which it's based, and AfroUnderscoreStud's current Hitler-related series), then you probably don't have any concept of what spam is. Your fellow KK member ZombieArmy continues to make the extremely spammy Brain Dog series and credit other KK members as co-author. Out of the four most recent submissions shown on BigFuzzyKitten's page, all four are spam, meaning that some of the KK are still spamming with official KK consent, and continue to co-author BFK, with BFK's consent. I've seen the 2006 Christmas collab, and it's not the usual KK spam, and just today your fellow KK member Kyothine submitted something worthy of a 2 vote (meaning not spam). And your own stuff is not the usual KK garbage either. I may have thought A Kitty Krew Beatdown sucked more ass than almost any other animation on NG, but that's not because it was spam, because it had fairly high production values. I just don't like to see people kill StrawberryClock, since I'm a fan of most of the Clocks' modern stuff.

However, despite these signs that the flood of spam is starting to subside, some KK members seem interested in turning younger authors into spammers. This especially seems to apply to those of your members who are connected to and friends with members of the L7C. And you guys still make more spam than any NGer not named AfroUnderscoreStud. You mention, to an average NGer who goes into the Judgment Zone a lot, the name BigFuzzyKitten, and the first word that comes to mind is "spam". At least that applies to me, and to most of the guys I know who actually care about NG.

As far a "mature non faggot members", I've been to your site. Isn't there a Gay Bar forum, with a Goatse subforum? I remember that being there quite vividly. That's a bit of a homosexual ("faggot" is derogatory language) action, if you ask me (which, of course, you didn't). And Reaperssythe posted a video on YouTube showing the deletion of KK co-founder Lasse's account. That's just publicly humiliating another person, which is completely immature.

But I'm waiting for the Kitty Krew to prove me wrong in my opinions of them. If the Christmas Collab is anything like last year's, I'd like to see it and vote 4 on it (since that's what last year's was worthy of, a 4) while it's under judgment. And what's this "Technotranscension" Collab you speak of? Anyway, if they're good, I'll vote well on them. If they're bad, I'll vote 0. That's the way it always works with me.


Dec. 15, 2007 | 9:26 PM Clock-Ninja says:

Lasse has been a real jerk and tryed to hack our forums many times.

Dec. 15, 2007 | 10:58 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

It's one thing to delete an account of someone who has been hacking and spamming a group's forums. But I don't think world-scale public humiliation on YouTube was necessary. Simply account deletion and some humiliation on the KK's website would have been enough for Lasse, if what you say about her trying to hack the KK website is true.


Dec. 15, 2007 | 10:07 PM Reaperssythe says:

Lmfao.


Dec. 16, 2007 | 4:55 PM The-DeadDuck says:

Okay, I gotta post here.

"Although, since they are KK movies, nothing near as good as, say, many of the Mario-related submissions"

FUCKING LMAO'''''''''''''''''''''

"And Reaperssythe posted a video on YouTube showing the deletion of KK co-founder Lasse's account. That's just publicly humiliating another person, which is completely immature."

Nah, he's always recording deleting ppl.

"A Kitty Krew Beatdown sucked more ass than almost any other animation on NG, but that's not because it was spam, because it had fairly high production values. I just don't like to see people kill StrawberryClock, since I'm a fan of most of the Clocks' modern stuff."

You're a even bigger faggot than you seem to be, if you 0'd it. After all, it was a really good animation. Since you seem to be serious about that whole stuff, don't go with the "ZOMG hE K1LLED SBC, BLAM !!! BLAmz0R!!!!!1" flow.

Oh and OO (which was owl organization btw) is dead. So it won't be "KK of the 2011". BFK neved joined/created it. So don't talk about something you don't know shit about.

And final words

HOLY SHIT INTERWEBS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESSES

and

LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF.

Dec. 16, 2007 | 8:15 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I happen to like movies with at least some semblance of plot, and movies that are actually what they promise to be. This applies to most, if not all, Mario or Zelda-related submissions (and all of those in the Mario and Zelda collections), and very few spam submissions, especially those of the Kitty Krew. As far as your pal Reaperssythe recording deletions of KK accounts and submitting them to YouTube, I do not believe that it's a good idea to record such deletions and hold people up to world-scale humiliation for it. That sort of thing is morally wrong, and generates bad karma. Lasse just got my focus because she was a co-author of the Kitty Seckings collab. If what Clock-Ninja said was true, about her hacking the KK forums, her crime was against the Kitty Krew, not against the whole of the Internet. I don't see Wade recording the deletion of NG user accounts and submitting them. Her deletion and shame should have been kept to the Kitty Krew.

The Clock Crew is good. Hell, even most StrawberryClock flashes outdo the vast majority of KK movies in production values and ideas, and their titles always apply to their content. You guys are notorious for making garbage that makes B look like one of the Brackenwood series, and you often promise something in the titles of your movies that you deny to the viewer in the actual content. Any of you KK members insulting NG legends like the Clock Crew by making a movie showing one of your own killing their inspiration is just like a piece of dog shit insulting the Statue of Liberty. The only character in that movie who got a beatdown and deserved it was SevenStar, more because of his pedophilia than because of his spam. But maybe you're right about a 0 score on my comment being a little harsh and prejudiced.

And BFK's name appeared on the original news post on the OO's Newgrounds user page. So at least, if he didn't found it or join it, he knew what you and sQueef were doing and was named as an honorary cofounder just for giving his assent. Either that or you two just wanted it to seem that you had the assent of BFK. Either way, it's dead now (if you're telling the truth), so it really doesn't matter.

Yes, I take the Internet seriously. Newgrounds is the reason that I am regaining my intellect after a damaging WWE addiction, and so I do wish to see it survive. And I think that spam is damaging to NG. So it is only natural that I will have a low opinion of those who spam the Portal. And I will fight against spam in the Portal, until I die or my Internet connection dies. And as far as that, there's nothing that you, those statwhores who keep 5ing and protecting your garbage, Reaperssythe, or even BigFuzzyKitten himself can do about it.

Updated: Dec. 17, 2007, 7:33 PM

Dec. 16, 2007 | 5:31 PM Gustavos says:

Oh, so that's how it happens. I'm wondering though, about why there's a date on the gravestone of deleted submissions. A date of when it was submitted and when it died. What's the point if all the submissions are dead on their first day (unless it was at late night)?

The Dead Duck isn't making too much sense here. No wonder he's dead. Although, I think he's right about the Owl Organization. I haven't seen any of their work for awhile and Maybe BFK doesn't have anything to do with it. It's almost impossible to tell actually when you think about it. Also, why are there so many people calling each other faggots? At first it's funny when people do that for hours in the general forums, but then it gets annoying. It is the true showing of immaturity, and/or faggotry. Seriously, grow up. If you find this entire news thing something to "laugh your ass off", go back to your myspace; the perfect place for words like LMOA or ZOMG. Whatever the hell they mean.

That's all I've got to say right now.

Dec. 16, 2007 | 9:15 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Maybe the KK should leave Newgrounds, pack up all their garbage, and take it to YouTube. Their garbage will not inspire so much well-deserved hatred there as it does here, since YouTube is chock full of total random garbage anyway. And you're also right about the kind of retarded Internet acronyms that some of them use. They should either grow up, or leave Newgrounds and spend the rest of their miserable lives in exile on YouTube, MySpace, and 4chan.

As far as the OO, perhaps it is dead, and perhaps I made a mistake calling BFK a co-founder. But the fact remains that it was founded as a KK front group, by at least one KK member, and for a time it spammed the Portal. But since it's dead, let's just forget about it.

And yes, indeed, it is immature to constantly call other people "faggots" because you disagree with them. Ann Coulter got in major trouble this past year for calling former Democratic Vice Presidential hopeful John Edwards a "faggot". You'd think the KK would learn from seeing that incident on TV, but they apparently don't pay attention to the news.


Dec. 16, 2007 | 6:32 PM Clock-Ninja says:

Gustavos fails at interwebz.

Dec. 17, 2007 | 3:37 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Clock-Ninja fails at spelling Internet.


Dec. 18, 2007 | 11:44 PM Gustavos says:

I haven't been to Youtube a lot in my life. so I don't know too much about how it's run. However, this is how I would see it. If the KK moved to Youtube and submit their movies about "god knows what", they'd be able to do less damage to Youtube then Newgrounds. Newgrounds is a much more manipulative site. Anyone can change anything (hence how the Newground logo says "everything by everyone"). Every time someone says something in the forums, makes a review, or submits to either of the portals, those are all changes being made every second of the day. Youtube doesn't have that much going on, therefore the KK has less effect and influence.

People go to Youtube to watch funny movies, people go to Newgrounds for the same reason, but can also hang out and do stuff. That means that the average Youtuber is smarter and more serious then a Newgrounder. (no offense Newgrounds). Therefore, they wouldn't want to join some cat obsessed club they never heard of.

However, Youtube is a great acheivement in a video site and I would never wish upon them to have a burden like the KK.

Dec. 19, 2007 | 8:38 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Actually, Gustavos, you've got it wrong. The average NGer (barring most of the individual spammers) is much smarter and more serious than the average YouTuber. Most of the quality movies on Newgrounds (such as the Brackenwood series) have action, plot, and other such qualities that many popular YouTube movies (as well as the majority of the garbage in that unmoderated shithole) do not have. Most of our fellow NGers, from such enemies of the spammers as us, to average users on the Forums, to statwhores and spam fanboys, to KK members such as Clock-Ninja and The-DeadDuck, even to the point of Kes himself (though he dumbs himself down a bit when he logs in as BigFuzzyKitten), have a relatively high intelligence, as judged by their comments on the BBS and on submissions (although there are exceptions, such as the reviews reported in Rage's thread in the Wi/Ht section). Such intelligence does not exist on YouTube. Once, I commented on the opening sequence from one of the terrible mockeries of the Zelda series made for the CD-I, with something saying "May the Goddesses of Courage, Wisdom, and Power forgive the fools who made this game!". Someone replied to me with something calling me a Wiccan (and flaming me for it), even though it was a Zelda reference, on a Zelda-related flash. That sort of response wouldn't be made here, except by an abusive flash author.

But you did say something right; namely, that Newgrounds can be manipulated far easier than YouTube can. The Portal system and the Flash format, although they protect NG from the sort of random garbage that is so important to YouTube (although some of it does show up, such as the only major Internet meme that NG can call its own, Numa Numa), can be so easily messed with by spammers, both by malicious individuals and by crew-based losers who think that it's funny to promise someone pornography and give them an epileptic seizure or a poorly-drawn, possibly MS Painted, cat vomiting all over the place. That sort of thing would be nearly harmless on YouTube, where there are neither well-publicized places to showcase recent video submissions, nor a way for users to delete submissions during a sort of probationary period with incentives for voting as the rest of the users vote. It is precisely these characteristics, which make Newgrounds unique, that also make it so vulnerable to spam.

If the KK were to move their operations to YouTube (which they will not, since their entire group is based around spamming Newgrounds and annoying its users), they would be made nearly impotent. Once a video is submitted, it is often lost on YouTube (due to YouTube lacking a real way to check which submissions are most recent, as far as I know of), but here, it goes into the Portal, which is the destination of many, if not most, users after logging in. They would not have as much exposure, and that, not intelligence or seriousness of YouTubers (which many of them lack), would be the downfall of the Kitty Krew. They would not be a burden there; BFK, Reaperssythe, and Clock-Ninja, and probably others, already have accounts and submit videos there. It would instead become a burden on them: to submit all the videos they have to YouTube, and try to promote them to get enough views that they can annoy as many people as they can here. But even if the KK would leave NG and go to YouTube (which they won't), and even if they would become a burden there (which they wouldn't), the burden they would be on the back of YouTube would be a much smaller one than the one they are on the back of NG.


Dec. 19, 2007 | 9:06 AM Reaperssythe says:

Gustavos you idiot, you can't submit flash to YouTube. Fail.

Dec. 19, 2007 | 8:41 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Actually, no. You fail. Flash cannot itself be submitted to YouTube, but programs exist to convert SWF to WMV files, which can be submitted. How else would Adam Phillips have gotten Waterlollies, a Flash creation, on YouTube?

Reaperssythe fails at insulting Gustavos.


Dec. 19, 2007 | 8:12 PM Gustavos says:

I was talking about movies dumbass. And you can video tape flashes genius.

reaperssythe fails at life


Dec. 20, 2007 | 11:19 AM Oldskoolkammy says:

Thanks for telling me how to submit Flash as a movie on Youtube, Gustavos.

And Soulmaster, I forgot to reply to your post all the way above. I actually don't own Flash. Go figure. :P

As for Reaperssythe, he does fail at insults and life itself. I mean, what do you expect from someone who makes bad, blam-worthy Flash for a dumb-as-rocks crew, knowing the only way it will be passed is by crew-related mass-voting, statwhoring, and spam fanboys? Times like this, you wish you were Tom Fulp and just pick off those life-less P.O.Ss all at once.


Dec. 20, 2007 | 12:55 PM DeadDuck444 says:

Flash = Flash movie OR Flash game.

It'd be kinda hard to convert a game into .wmv, wouldn't it ?

So quit with that repeating of the fucking "X fails at Y", it's annoying.

"Yes, I take the Internet seriously. " "Will fight against spam in the Portal, until I die"
K die then

Dec. 21, 2007 | 12:33 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

Yeah, right. Like the Kitty Krew actually submits games. I've only seen one game from the bowels of the KK, and that would be LordZeebmork's Kitty Patrol. Most of your garbage comes in the form of short, crappy movies, promising and denying hentai to the horny masses, or otherwise spamming the Portal (not that you don't make good ones like last year's KK Christmas Collab, but it's mostly trash). It is this refuse that should be moved away from NG, to whatever other Flash-based sites there are out there, or to YouTube, so that serious NG users such as myself and Oldskoolkammy and Gustavos don't have to put up with that shit. So, either submit good stuff, or a user will rise to power, and take up the once-noble mantle of legendary Ki1o, now tainted in the minds of most NGers (only because the bad memory remains among the now-beloved Clock Crew, from when they were themselves releasing low-quality submissions).

I will not die, so you better pray to whatever God or gods you believe in that my Internet connection dies, because until then, I will not stop in my quest to protect my beloved Newgrounds from garbage.

And as far as the "Fail" comments go, your fellow KK member Clock-Ninja whipped out the "Fail" first. If you're going to criticize the "Fail" comments, criticize Clock-Ninja first.


Dec. 20, 2007 | 12:56 PM DeadDuck444 says:

Also, forgot to add; Gustavos and oldskoolkammy are faggots.


Dec. 20, 2007 | 6:18 PM Oldskoolkammy says:

Coming rom a faggot who spams the Portal. I may not have Flash, but I still have the first amendment giving me the right to badmouth stupid people and stupid shit. Listen, Dead-Duck, if you want to prove me wrong, make a Flash that's worthy of my proection point. The next blam-worthy P.O.S. you submit will only prove to the entire universe that neither I or Gustavos are faggots; you and your little pathetic KK are.

Reaperssythe = Fail.

Dead-Duck = More Fail.

Kitty Krew and the 2 above combined = So much fail that it's not even funny any goddamn more.


Dec. 20, 2007 | 10:38 PM yoshi77777 says:

Uh yeah so...is this entire post about crews? Oh well..


Dec. 20, 2007 | 11:34 PM Gustavos says:

There's been random things happening all day that further piss me off. I have to take my anger out somehow...

Duck, Fuck you. Please, do us both a favor, and take reaperssythe's cock out of your sorry ass, and the clock ninja's out of your mouth, and go fucking kill yourself. Take a big fucking blade, and fucking stab yourself in the neck, and with your last ounce of strength, throw yourself onto another blade sticking up. It would end the suffering of many lives.

So I'm a faggot? Is that what I am? I'm a faggot because I care about the best site I've ever been to? I'm a faggot becuase I give a shit about people's experiences here? I'm a faggot because I want to make the best site even better? You sir, are a true fuckhead. You're mentally and sexually retarded.

As for the X fails at Y thing. It was your little homo friends who started it, dipshit, I felt like finishing it. How about nobody says it anymore, alright?

Also, there's a thing I was always wondering. What's it like having hundreds of people out there who want to kick your ass? How can you guys not want to hang yourselves? For shame on all of you, and all your families. Take a step into the REAL god damn world and see that everyone has an actual purpose in life. What's yours?

Fourthly, don't get mad at Kammy for something that could've easily been a typo. Everyone knows the definition of "flash".

One last thing, how the hell did Yoshi77777 get here? Hey Yoshi, you may not want to hang around here. You're basically considered an "enemy" in certain ways.

Well, I'm sorry for the overusage of cuss words, but that's how we talk where I live. Especially when we're pissed. Oh and Soulmaster, I was speaking hypithetically about the KK going to Youtube. I know very well that they wouldn't leave completly just like that. Plus, I haven't really considered how smart a Youtuber is because I've only talked to a few. It was an argument over Super Smash Bros....yeah. But even people who spend their whole life on the forums, can be smarter and more mature then Youtubers.


Dec. 21, 2007 | 12:58 PM The-DeadDuck says:

SoulMaster71 responds:
"Blah blah character limit etc, KK does not submits games, go to youtube etc"
Steve irwin tossing etc.

"I will not die, so you better pray to whatever God or gods you believe in that my Internet connection dies, because until then, holy internets gets abused by evildoers"
I don't believe in god nor wish you death.

"And as far as the "Fail" comments go, your fellow KK member Clock-Ninja whipped out the "Fail" first. If you're going to criticize the "Fail" comments, criticize Clock-Ninja first."
That doesn't mean everyone gotta repeat it. Besides, look uder it.

Oldskoolkammy says:
"Coming rom a faggot who spams the Portal. I may not have Flash, but I still have the first amendment giving me the right to badmouth stupid people and stupid shit. Listen, Dead-Duck, if you want to prove me wrong, make a Flash that's worthy of my proection point. The next blam-worthy P.O.S. you submit will only prove to the entire universe that neither I or Gustavos are faggots; you and your little pathetic KK are."
Who's Dead-Duck

"Reaperssythe = Fail.

Dead-Duck = More Fail.

Kitty Krew and the 2 above combined = So much fail that it's not even funny any goddamn more."
Your fail shows how great fail needs to be failed to fail so mugh that fail isn't failable to fail even funny any faildamn more. Fucking failing failures.

Gustavos says:
"There's been random things happening all day that further piss me off. I have to take my anger out somehow..."
ok great

"Duck, Fuck you."
CYBERBULLY, YOU !

"Please, do us both a favor, and take reaperssythe's cock out of your sorry ass, and the clock ninja's out of your mouth, and go fucking kill yourself."
Not funny. Not a good insult.

"Take a big fucking blade, and fucking stab yourself in the neck, and with your last ounce of strength, throw yourself onto another blade sticking up."
Nah I do that only on saturdays

"It would end the suffering of many lives."
Omg man im sorry i hope your internal wounds will get healed soon

"So I'm a faggot? "
Yep

"Is that what I am? "
Yep

"I'm a faggot because I care about the best site I've ever been to?"
Yep

"I'm a faggot becuase I give a shit about people's experiences here?"
Yep

"I'm a faggot because I want to make the best site even better?"
Yep and because you made it worse

"You sir, are a true fuckhead. You're mentally and sexually retarded."
zomg I've been called a fuckhead on internet :(

"As for the X fails at Y thing. It was your little homo friends who started it, dipshit, I felt like finishing it. How about nobody says it anymore, alright?"
I'm afraid it cannot be done.
And clock n***a is not homo, just pedo camwhore

"Also, there's a thing I was always wondering. What's it like having hundreds of people out there who want to kick your ass?"
How can I know

"How can you guys not want to hang yourselves?"
Why should I

"For shame on all of you, and all your families."
You watch too much godfather you gotta stop ok

"Take a step into the REAL god damn world and see that everyone has an actual purpose in life. What's yours?"
To be serious, I don't think anyone knows real meaning of life. I'm just having my fun until I die.

"Fourthly, don't get mad at Kammy for something that could've easily been a typo. Everyone knows the definition of "flash"."
dude I'm not mad I'm laughing my ass off

"One last thing, how the hell did Yoshi77777 get here?"
Either portals, space holes. I'd blame leprechauns, trough.

"Hey Yoshi, you may not want to hang around here. You're basically considered an "enemy" in certain ways."
yeah man watch out for all those cyber bullies

"Well, I'm sorry for the overusage of cuss words"
It's ok, I absolve you from your sins

"But that's how we talk where I live."
Quit nigeria then

"Especially when we're pissed."
You need to get some valerin or sumfin

"kk please leave to youtube etc gay"
I don't give shit about youtube/ your opinion. You're a fag.

Ok now seriously, oldskoolkammy, if you don't even have flash then shut the fuck up ok great also you're all fucking gay

Dec. 21, 2007 | 10:01 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I may not exactly agree with what my friends said, telling you to go commit suicide, but calling them "cyberbullies"? You guys are all frauds for promising and denying hentai to the users of Newgrounds, you are all spammers for submitting three or four or more garbage flashes per week, and each and every one of you spammers should seriously consider leaving NG, and going into an exile on MySpace and 4chan until you can learn to stop spamming.

And my friends are not, under any circumstances, fags for loving quality and hating those who wish to destroy it. If anybody is homosexual on NG, it's your little "leader" Kes, who is obsessed with Meatspin, Goatse, and Spongebob Squarepants. Gustavos and Oldskoolkammy are loyal Newgrounders, as am I. You guys, on the other hand, must despise NG, despise its users, despise every quality flash on this site, despise Pico and Alien Hominid and Waterlollies and all of NG's other great videos and games. To call them faggots for caring about this site and wanting to keep it good and make it better, and saying that they just make it worse? You guys must be entirely hateful and malicious to those of us who love Newgrounds.


Dec. 21, 2007 | 2:04 PM Clock-Ninja says:

I understand what you mean dead duck but you got to wright something longer and express your feelings more, quoting everything they say with a "you fail" makes us look as if we can't speak for our selfs.


Dec. 21, 2007 | 9:51 PM Gustavos says:

Awww, now dat aint very nice Ducky. Don't worry, you'll acheive something one day.

I've noticed something, This news post has attracted more spammers than signers as anticipated. Soulmaster, Kammy, other people I don't know the names of, if we're to continue conversations of spamming and other related subjects, we should do so in PMs.


Dec. 21, 2007 | 11:28 PM yoshi77777 says:

Happy Lucky 7 Crew Day to all, and to all a good night!

Dec. 21, 2007 | 11:48 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

The fact that you came here to wish me a happy L7C day, despite the things that Gustavos said about you being an enemy, and me calling your crew a "KK front group" and stuff, means that you, yoshi77777, are not an enemy, and are a good person, despite your apparent association with Reaperssythe. A happy L7C day to you too, and I sincerely hope your Christmas collab comes out as good as you hoped it would be.


Dec. 22, 2007 | 2:29 PM WACKYANIMATION says:

as a KK member, i have to say, almost all our flashes are made by one person only, unless it says otherwise. it is somewhat stupid to say we even have a leader. BFK (in reality kes), has made some great flashes just as some other members. we are a group but are very individually based. just as any other group we have a large range of talent and the ability to put effort into things. I myself have made several games and hosted several well made collabs. yes there are many spammy flashes out there, but they hide the true face of the kitty krew. i would say the best way to understand it is to see it on our forum. i see a definite difference in maturity between people.

oh, and we have never accepted someone into the krew becasue they joined wanting to "help in the spamming". in short: large community that cant control everything that goes out there


Dec. 22, 2007 | 3:02 PM LordZeebmork says:

hahaha, oh wow. kitty krew movies don't get blammed, and m-bot doesn't delete accounts.

and if you think the kitty krew is so bad, let's see you do something better.

faggot.

Dec. 22, 2007 | 4:43 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I made the mistake in the original post of saying that whole M-bot line, and I have, by this point, figured out that I was mistaken. As far as KK movies not getting blammed, it's true that they are usually protected, but only by crew-related mass voting (in the language of retards like yourself, that means that all of you KK members vote 5 on the next Brain Dog turd to come out of ZombieArmy's ass), and then retarded protect whores do the rest. Your crew have figured out how to circumvent a system originally made that only good flashes would become a permanent part of the site, and instead of finding some way to use that knowledge for good, you just spam the Portal with intentional garbage.

The recent deletion of ZombieArmy's account, as well as that of the vast majority of the Brain Dog series, was just Wade Fulp's hand being used as the tool of karma. Take this as a lesson, Zeebmork: if you do something morally wrong, even if it's online (spamming, hacking, etc.), karma will come back and get you for it. She always does.


Dec. 22, 2007 | 3:11 PM Clock-Ninja says:

I say we rape their secret hideout forums!

Dec. 22, 2007 | 4:58 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I'm not in any "secret hideout forums". And the group that you guys keep doing that to just keeps starting back up. Goldenmoon will not die on your commands, so I suggest you stop trying to kill him.


Dec. 22, 2007 | 5:27 PM Gustavos says:

Alright, alright. No need to use me as a reference of a bad guy. I got a little mad at Duck because I had a bad day. But come on, who'd be dumb enough to kill themselves just because some weird guy told him to. Unless he had some ADHD-induced panic attack.

As for Yoshi77777, I said he was considered an enemy. I have nothing against the L7C because I'm not sure if they're intentionally trying to be a spam group. They may be told to make the flashes they make by an undercover spammer or who ever comes up with the ideas.

It seems, the only way to make them normal flash makers, is for them to learn the true meaning of flash itself. One of the many things that groups like the KK fail to understand. It is impossible to teach someone this. They must figure it out on their own, or they'll never become great and may be the most hated crew on NG.

Yoshi, if you're still here, that's your new task. By the way, what is so special about L7C day? Is it a month anniversary of something?

Oh and Soulmaster, check your inbox.


Dec. 22, 2007 | 6:24 PM yoshi77777 says:

Ahh yes. L7C Day. 12/21/07 The Day for the Lucky 7 Crew to finally be recognized on Newgrounds.

Dec. 23, 2007 | 4:28 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I've recognized you guys as an up-and-coming crew since I first saw one of those "random collabs" in the Judgment Zone. But I must admit, until you started a series of you own (the recent series starring Mario and the NG level icons), I was afraid that you'd end up a KK front group, due to your association with Reaperssythe. But the series would be pretty good, if you'd use the magic wand to remove the excess space from around the sprites and add sound. And then, apparently, the KK hacked the Crew collective account you set up, probably because you displeased BigFuzzyKitten by making something that didn't suck. You should probably PM Wade Fulp about that; BabyChipmunkQ admitted on your news post, and BabyChipmunkB in a news post of his own, to being the hacker. That's against NG rules, and should result in at least a long-term ban, if not account deletion, for both of these BabyChipmunk accounts, if not all BabyChipmunk accounts, since they very well may all be the same person.

Updated: Dec. 23, 2007, 4:34 PM

Dec. 23, 2007 | 10:53 PM yoshi77777 says:

I did PM Wade about it!! The KK sucks..Even Reaperssythe was against it.!! They just can't take another group in their spotlight. Grrr! >:(

Dec. 24, 2007 | 1:02 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

You don't want their spotlight. Many NGers hate them. You would probably prefer the Clock Crew's spotlight, where almost everybody on NG loves you, and that can best be achieved by making many good flashes. A year from now, I think (based on your current growth rate), you'll be able to make a nearly Clock-quality flash, at least in the technical aspects. Whether you can do it on the level of ideas, only time will tell.

Actually, I was thinking about the whole hacking thing earlier. It was a collective account, right? As in all of your group had the password? Someone from within may have given it to a member of the KK. Or maybe a Kitty infiltrated your group. Either way, it looks to me like you may have a spy in your midst. Be cautious; you have no idea what the KK will do to their enemies. Even I have no idea how deep some of their evil can run. If Reaperssythe, an admin on the KK forums, didn't agree with it, that means it was more likely an individual kitty than an act sanctioned by the whole KK community, so I wouldn't blame the entire Kitty Krew.

Whoever the spy is, he may also be behind the BabyChipmunk accounts. Since almost all the BabyChipmunk flashes are the same, and I'd seen it in the Portal before BabyChipmunk signed up, I know that BabyChipmunk is an alt of a pre-existing KK member. The rest of this mystery, is up to you to solve, if you wish to do so. But unless you solve it, this attack may be replayed many time over, just like the attacks on Goldenmoon and the AKK, so I suggest you figure it out and purge the spy from the L7C. Just think about it for a second: which L7C member was always pushing you to make another bad flash, rather than improving your skills? Who had the most connections with some of the less-trustworthy KK members? Who would have had the most to gain? You'll probably pick up some clues in the answers to these questions.


Dec. 24, 2007 | 2:52 PM Clock-Ninja says:

HOW ABOUT WE ALL BE FRIENDS? :)

Dec. 24, 2007 | 10:04 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

OK then, Clock-Ninja. It's Christmas. Even Link and Ganondorf probably wouldn't hate each other at Christmas, if they were real, or if Christmas were a part of the Zelda world. So yes. Merry Christmas, Clock-Ninja.


Dec. 25, 2007 | 11:59 AM LordZeebmork says:

"Your crew have figured out how to circumvent a system originally made that only good flashes would become a permanent part of the site, and instead of finding some way to use that knowledge for good, you just spam the Portal with intentional garbage."

The KK doesn't have enough members to mass vote things like the Clock Crew does.

"Take this as a lesson, Zeebmork: if you do something morally wrong, even if it's online (spamming, hacking, etc.), karma will come back and get you for it. She always does."

lmao. I destroyed FlashRangers and nobody really gives half a fuck about it. I did a shitload of other stuff also, and quite honestly, nobody fucking cares.

Oh, and the Kitty Krew has made some non-spam flashes. (For example, my Advenntuers Of Mareo Man and Totally Fucking Awesome.)

Dec. 26, 2007 | 1:01 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

Not enough members for CRMV? Bullshit. Not enough individual people sitting at the computers, possibly, but most of you have alternate accounts, and know of proxies which will allow you to get your votes in despite having already voted. And don't talk about the CC doing that; their movies would almost always be passed anyway, since the Clocks are, for the most part, great artists. The CC's mass voting does next to nothing to the score, since most NGers probably already give high votes to the CC. The Kitty Krew, on the other hand, mass votes, and between mass voting and idiotic statwhores (many of whom probably come here from 4chan, to try to ruin NG), your garbage flashes get passed.

I've seen your "Adventures of Mareo Man". It's not the best, the funniest, or the most artistic movie on NG, or even any of those things among the Mario movies. But it's not spam, I'll give you that, though it was, in my opinion, only worth a 2. And I suppose I liked Kitty Patrol, even though I preferred playing badly on purpose, rather than doing it right, to simulate the way some (perhaps most) of the KK do badly at Flash on purpose. Oh, and your recent Hitler Collab was pretty good, as was BigFuzzyKitten's White Christmas Collab.

And though people may not notice, or even care, karma always rewards proper actions, and punishes improper and immoral actions. So when BabyChipmunk hacked the L7C account, he generated enough bad karma to last him his next three lifetimes, if indeed there is life after death.

It may be a few hours late, LordZeebmork, but I'd like to wish you, and the entire KK, and in fact everyone else, whether friend or foe, a Merry Christmas.

Oh, and I saw your flash (submitted under the username Kberkag, but we all know it's you anyway) mocking my petition. But I had the last laugh, seeing how I posted it at Rage's, and got some whistle points from the abusive reviews.

Updated: Dec. 26, 2007, 2:14 AM

Dec. 25, 2007 | 12:29 PM AndrewGlisson11 says:

i can't seem to figure out the real leader of the kitty krew, its either bigfuzzykitten, of the kitty krew (theres a person who's name is actually "kitty krew" i always thought that was thair leader, but now i'm not completely sure.)


Dec. 25, 2007 | 12:42 PM AndrewGlisson11 says:

I sighned the pettition.

THE KITTY KREW WILL BURN IN HELL!!!


Dec. 25, 2007 | 10:17 PM yoshi77777 says:

BabyChipmunkB admits to hacking OMFG

www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/417075

Dec. 26, 2007 | 2:23 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

And Kberkag stole the text from my Petition, and made a spam flash with it.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/
view/417049
Though he mocks me, it only makes me stronger, makes my Petition stronger, gives me more publicity. And though BabyChipmunk mocks you, and gloats over the account he stole, he will soon know that to be his own downfall as well.

Oh, and thanks to the efforts of myself and others like me, that submission was blammed. Zeebmork, if you're reading this, this is proof that karma returns that which you give to the world. BabyChipmunk hacked the L7C's account, raped their forums, and gloated over it, and now...
BLAM!!!

Updated: Dec. 26, 2007, 2:48 AM

Dec. 26, 2007 | 5:16 PM The-DeadDuck says:

I don't get why this whole AKK keeps on repeating that "KK massvotes their flashes so they pass"

Bullshit. If you will get on the forums (which are kittykrew.net , if you will actually care enough to check what you are repeating), you'll see that there are usually 4 people or so on, and at some times of the day there are none. Also, nope, it's not like 4 people can make a movie pass or even affect the score, no matter if they use proxies or not (which, if you did a little research, got basically killed by redesign).

Also, for first 5 years of CC existance it was mostly spam group. There wasn't any point where suddenly they became great flash artists. Clock Day is a day when one-frame pieces of shit gets score of 3.50 or so. No, clock crew isn't universally loved.

Also, AndrewGlisson11 is great example how few AKK knows about KK.

Dec. 28, 2007 | 3:46 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

I have indeed been to the KK forums, and yes, when I go there there's usually 5 or 6 on. It's probably mostly statwhores anyway, since non-statwhores don't usually like KK movies from what I've read in the Forums. But shadowchaostails3 (some KK-lover, and possibly a friend of Reaperssythe, from what I've heard) admitted in the Forums, in Wi/HT, on a thread called Kitty Krew, that you get together and vote 5 on movies if they get near 0. That's mass voting, and with the garbage that I often see coming from the KK, I wouldn't be surprised if you did that to flashes under judgment too. So that's why KK haters and spam haters think you mass-vote.

As for the Clocks being spammers right up to 2006, that's the real bullshit. KnottsberryClock was doing good submissions as far back as 2001, as was OrangeClock, if I remember correctly. Perhaps they did spam up until 2003 or so, but they spammed no more by 04, when they had to put up with Banana, who had betrayed them and started his own group dedicated to flaming the CC, taking the name of Lock Legion. But by then they were certainly done with the spam. And though bad submissions do pass on Clock Day, it's tradition, and the Clocks always make something good, as do other crews with actual flash ability.

AndrewGlisson11 is a good man. He only hopes to help NG by fighting against you, as do I. So please do not flame him. OK, he may have spammed some userpages (I think he spammed Kes, actually), but he only does so to express his extreme distaste for spammers.

Updated: Dec. 30, 2007, 12:49 AM

Dec. 26, 2007 | 6:08 PM The-DeadDuck says:

Also to the karma thing - movie got blammed because it was only a ":)" and chipmunk talking. I don't think karma was related in any way.


Dec. 28, 2007 | 12:10 AM SaltinesClock says:

"Though he mocks me, it only makes me stronger, makes my Petition stronger, gives me more publicity. And though BabyChipmunk mocks you, and gloats over the account he stole, he will soon know that to be his own downfall as well."

POWER UP


Jan. 1, 2008 | 2:22 AM Clock-Ninja says:

To tell you the truth, I kind of got bored of the KK for a while so I found this new group called the lucky stars. Turns out they're just a bunch of newfags from the KK, so I join anyways and then they exclude me for no fucking reason at all.

Why can't there be any serious anime groups here on NG that aren't made up of poser fags that hate everyone?!!!!!! >:(

Jan. 1, 2008 | 11:02 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

An anime group, huh? Oh yeah, I've heard of those guys. If a white dude who wants to be black is a "wigger", those dudes are "Wapanese", for lack of a better word. Still, I don't wish them anything but the best in their efforts as a new crew.

Ooh. Don't look now, but they just made a flash. Not just any flash, though, but one where they kill you... Sorry.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/
view/418172 -the flash.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea why some anime groups hate everybody. But looking at these guys' forums, and at the responses to Chewy's question about why he's been deleted, maybe they're just KK haters. Who knows, maybe some of them were rejected by the KK. I don't know them or their story, so I can't help you.


Jan. 1, 2008 | 8:16 PM Onaz says:

lol. spam groups SPAM BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE ATTENTION...you guys give them attention they keep spamming.

its the way the cycle works.

Jan. 1, 2008 | 9:37 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

Well, it's the creator of the Pixelated Thingie movies! Seriously, man, those movies are very entertaining. I always enjoy seeing the Pixelated Thingie, especially in last night's movie (or was it this morning's? Time gets so foggy after midnight...) where he comes to NG. The part where he sees the B and says an N would be better... I wonder if anyone else noticed the reference?

As for your comment, if they can't think of a better way to get attention than spamming, they don't belong on NG. I'm kinda just pointing that out.


Jan. 2, 2008 | 4:00 PM Onaz says:

yeah thanks a lot. i am glad to see that you love Pixelated Thingie. i have a new animation out.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /418295

check it out dude.

-----

K so, anyways, the spam groups all just get kicks off of submitting stuff to newgrounds.

I will sign up the petition to stop spam.

However. i will have to tell you that groups like the KK are still at large. The SG is dead and so is LC7. But the KK is the biggest threat.

And out of no where, make way for the Robot Rangers.

lol. i just laugh


Jan. 4, 2008 | 8:36 PM yoshi77777 says:

WTF?! http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /418185

Jan. 4, 2008 | 10:33 PM SoulMaster71 responds:

I noticed. Kes has hacked Newgrounds. He discovered a flaw in the Portal Buddy system, and used it to make it look like bigbadron, SBC, and the Fulp brothers are now in alliance with the Kitty Krew, and others among them learned this from him. Among these are the two most malicious bastards in KK history, ZombieArmy and LordZeebmork. Within the last month or so, both of ZombieArmy's accounts and most of LordZeebmork's alts were deleted, so they made it look like Tom and Wade had gone from artists to spammers. And bigbadron as well (maybe he was the one who notified Wade of Zeebmork's troll alts?). I see no reason to be angry about SBC being co-authored, because I see no reason that he would have a problem with being co-authored on spam flashes, since he himself made bad flash on purpose. And Zeebmork, under alt Kberkag, has co-authored P-Bot, M-Bot, Josh (as in Josh Bedn), and chluaid on the current Turd of the Week, the title of which was stolen from chluaid's movie Waterlollies. Kes himself, under the account BigFuzzyKitten, co-authored Pimp, A-Bot, G-Bot, Sherbert (Tom Fulp's cat), and others.

You yourself know how evil KK members can become. But to the others out there, now you get at least a glimpse of how evil they can be. But I do not blame the entire KK for this act, for just as the whole KK was not to blame when BabyChipmunkB hacked the L7C account, only those few are guilty of this act. Only Zeebmork, ZombieArmy, and most of all Kes, from what I know. But their malice must be stopped.


Jan. 6, 2008 | 11:18 PM Clock-Ninja says:

Lord Zeebmork aint no bastard he just makes more collabs then others and zombie army is just a noob thats been in the KK for 3-4 months.

Jan. 7, 2008 | 12:04 AM SoulMaster71 responds:

ZombieArmy is a bottom-grade spammer. His Brain Dog "series", if you could call it that, got his account deleted. Zeebmork actually made a thread about it in the Forums, but it was more a complaint about his non-spam, 2-worthy Adventures of Mareo Man being deleted with ZombieArmy. But what does Zombie do? He comes right back to NG, and gets right back to making and submitting Brain Dog. And the moment Kes finds a hole in the Portal Buddy System, he jumps right in and co-authors Tom and Wade for Brain Dog shit. I'm surprised he wasn't deleted again and IP